Saturday, November 26, 2016

Perspective Part 4B - What Constitutes Church Doctrine?



What is Doctrine? Meaning what are the authoritative teachings or beliefs of the LDS Church?

Michael Ash in Shaken Faith Syndrome (pg. 31 and 45) states:
"What, then, is official doctrine and what is opinion? Official doctrine will be announced as revelation and the body of the Church will sustain it (D&C 26:2, 107:27-31)."
"I believe that very few LDS teachings qualify as true doctrines...Sometimes we conflate the implementation or presentation of a doctrine with the doctrine itself."
(D&C 26:2--"And all things shall be done by common consent in the church, by much prayer and faith, for all things you shall receive by faith. Amen.)
(D&C 107:27 & 32--"And every decision made by either of these quorums [First Presidency, Twelve Apostles, Seventy] must be by the unanimous voice of the same; that is, every member in each quorum must be agreed to its decisions, in order to make their decisions of the same power or validity one with the other…(32) And in case that any decision of these quorums is made in unrighteousness, it may be brought before a general assembly of the several quorums, which constitute the spiritual authorities of the church; otherwise there can be no appeal from their decision.")
The Givens see prophets and scripture as fallible. Scripture is the prophet's attempt to understand and express the divine.


What the LDS Church Says:

"Approaching Mormon Doctrine," LDS Newsroom (2007):
"Not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. A single statement made by a single leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, but is not meant to be officially binding for the whole Church. With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four “standard works” of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith. Isolated statements are often taken out of context, leaving their original meaning distorted."
I generally agree with this statement. It warns us about the use of single statements and reading in context. However, if the single statement is stated under the influence of the Holy Ghost then it is usable for doctrine (see below)?

I would change "often" to "may" in the sentence "A single statement made by a single leader on a single occasion often may represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, but is not meant to be officially binding for the whole Church" (bold added). Note that "leader" must refer to a past or current prophet or apostle because they are the only ones who can receive revelation for the "whole church."

Scripture:
Apostles and prophets can speak under the influence of the Holy Ghost which is scripture, just like the Bible.  Is that not "binding for the whole Church"?

"Scripture," Bible Dictionary (Bold added):
"The word scripture means 'a writing' and is used to denote a writing recognized by the Church as sacred and inspired. It is so applied to the books of the Old Testament by the writers of the New Testament (Matt. 22:29; John 5:39; 2 Tim. 3:15). For an account of the process by which the books of the Old Testament and New Testament came to be recognized as scripture, see Canon. Latter-day revelation identifies scripture as that which is spoken under the influence of the Holy Ghost (D&C 68:1–4)."
(D&C 68:1–4--"And this is the ensample unto them, that they shall speak as they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost. (4) And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation.")
(Canon: "A word of Greek origin, originally meaning “a rod for testing straightness,” now used to denote the authoritative collection of the sacred books used by the true believers in Christ. In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the canonical books are called standard works [Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price].)

Likewise, we are told to follow the teaching of the prophets:

"Prophets" in True to the Faith (2004) (Bold added):
You can always trust the living prophets. Their teachings reflect the will of the Lord, who declared: “What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same” (D&C 1:38). 
Your greatest safety lies in strictly following the word of the Lord given through His prophets, particularly the current President of the Church. The Lord warns that those who ignore the words of the living prophets will fall (see D&C 1:14–16). 

Stand Ye in Holy Places,” President Harold B. Lee (1973) (Bold added):
“If you want to know what the Lord has for this people at the present time, I would admonish you to get and read the discourses that have been delivered at this [general] conference; for what these brethren have spoken by the power of the Holy Ghost is the mind of the Lord, the will of the Lord, the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation.” 

So Let Me Get This Straight:
We are to "strictly follow" the words of the prophets BUT they are technically not doctrine (which is "binding for the whole Church") because it is not "established" by the First Presidency and the Twelve Apostles and "consistently proclaimed in official Church publications" (Bold added). No wonder TBMs are confused on what is Church Doctrine.


The Journal of Discourses
The Journal of Discourses represents an issue of an LDS Apologist.  It apparently contains numerous quotes that are not consistent with current Church doctrine or teachings of recent prophets. This is why LDS Apologists like to define Church doctrine as "resid[ing] in the four 'standard works' of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith." Everything else is just opinions--not official teaching or doctrine.

The Church's opinion of the Journal of Discourses is
"The Journal of Discourses includes interesting and insightful teachings by early Church leaders; however, by itself it is not an authoritative source of Church doctrine."

"I’ve been reading the Journal of Discourses with a great deal of interest and pleasure, but I notice that they are not printed by the Church. Can you tell me how authoritative I should consider them to be?", Ensign, August 1878:
We also should be aware of priorities in our studies. It seems to me that we should first become very familiar with the four books of Scripture accepted as standard works. The words of our current living prophet are also most valuable for us in our time. The official statements of the First Presidency are standards for doctrine and practice in the Church. We should be familiar with the manuals and courses of study provided for us in our day. For further inspiration and instruction by the General Authorities, we can study general conference addresses, beginning with the most current and moving back in time.

The Church is obviously trying to distance themselves from the Journal of Discourses. However, if you search "Journal of Discourses" on LDS.org you will get many hits to general conference addresses, magazines articles, and manual lessons.  Apparently, use the Journal of Discourses if it agrees with you. If it does not, then say it's not authoritative.

Wednesday, November 23, 2016

Perspective Part 4A - Just How Fallible are Prophets




In Part 1 of Perspective, the 4 fundamental elements of the faithful Mormon perspective are (see Mormon Expressions Episode 7X starting at 20:42):
  1. The Church is true.
  2. Joseph Smith was a prophet.
  3. Thomas S. Monson [or current Church President] is a prophet today.
  4. The Book of Mormon is true.
Further,  Conservative Mormons or True Believing Mormons (TBM) believe items 1 through 4. They believe what the First Presidency and 12 Apostles do and say is from God. They believe their local leaders are inspired. They believe there are reasonable explanations for any critical (anti-Mormon) claims. They usually don't investigate critical claims because of their testimony in items 1 through 4. They take prophets, the scriptures, and gospel principles literally.


Fallilbility of Prophets (0 [none] to 10 [completely]):
TBMs: 0 or 1
Michael Ash: 3
The Givens: 5 to 7


(Note: if you don't think TBMs believe the below, then these are my beliefs as a TBM and my observations of Church members for over 30 years.)

TBMs See Their Leaders as Inspired:
As John Dehlin stated and most TBMs would agree, "the Church is predominately divine and occasionally marred by the flaws of men." This means the Bishop and Stake President are good men who are inspired. For example, when my Bishop prayed to know who the new Elder's Quorum President should be, God impressed on his mind the name of the person. Further, God may impress upon his mind a message that the Ward needs to hear. The same is true for the Stake President on the Stake level of organization.

Now the President of the Church, the Prophet, is sustained as a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator. Meaning God speaks to him and directs the Church through him. He is not leading the Church, God is. Likewise, the First Presidency and 12 Apostles are sustained as a Prophets, Seers, and Revelators. God speaks to them and directs the Church is their area of responsibility.

When I was Sunday School President, I would pray for inspiration when I had to call a new teacher. I receive a prompting and would recommend that name to the Bishop. Often, the Bishop would recommend someone else and I would go along with the Bishop's recommendation.  I always thought I could not tell the difference between my own feelings and the inspiration.  Because he was the Bishop and a good man, I knew the Bishop could better discern inspiration. Likewise, the Stake President was probably better at spiritual discernment than the Bishop. Yes, does means the Bishop might mistake his feelings for inspiration, but most of the callings, especially the Leadership callings, were inspired of God.

For those sustained as Prophets, Seers, and Revelators, TBMs know they can tell the difference between their feelings and inspiration.  I figured they had inspired dreams, maybe visions, etc. They are in more direct and more frequent contact with God. Most TBMs, I think, would not flinch if you told them that all the Apostles have seen Jesus Christ. I thought this is what was meant when an Apostle bore their special witness of Christ. What else could it mean?

TBMs Know Their Leaders Aren't Perfect:
Of course the Leaders are just men. They still sin. But as you move up the "food chain," the sins are less severe and less frequent. For example, the average TBM Ward leader (like Elder's Quorum President) might swear a bit, watch football on Sunday, and lose his temper with his wife and children.  The Bishop might swear in this mind, doesn't watch football on Sunday (he's in too many meetings), and might occasionally raise his voice at home.

TBMs see Prophets, Seers, and Revelators as holy men. We know that they are not perfect. But their sins are small. If they are not holy, then they would not be worthy to always have the Holy Ghost to be with them to lead the Church.


How infallible are Prophets (Church Sources):
TBMs see the Prophets, Seers, and Revelators as predominately infallible when speaking of Church matters. When they talk about a beloved sports team, their favorite restaurant, etc. those are personal views. But when they talk "Church," especially when giving a talk or delivering a message, their words are authoritative because God leads the Church through them. This does not mean that everything they say is 100% factual. They might get a date wrong, misquoted a scripture, etc. But the essence of the message is correct.

Church Publications:
There's what Church publications have about Prophets and following them:

"Prophets" in True to the Faith (2004):
You can always trust the living prophets. Their teachings reflect the will of the Lord, who declared: “What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same” (D&C 1:38). 
Your greatest safety lies in strictly following the word of the Lord given through His prophets, particularly the current President of the Church. The Lord warns that those who ignore the words of the living prophets will fall (see D&C 1:14–16).

"Chapter 9: Prophets of God" in Gospel Principles (2011):
(Note: The same text with minor changes, mostly in the quotations, is in the 1997 Gospel Principles)
We should do those things the prophets tell us to do. President Wilford Woodruff said that a prophet will never be allowed to lead the Church astray: 
“The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Wilford Woodruff [2004], 199)… 
We should follow his inspired teachings completely. We should not choose to follow part of his inspired counsel and discard that which is unpleasant or difficult. The Lord commanded us to follow the inspired teachings of His prophet: 
“Thou shalt give heed unto all his [the prophet’s] words and commandments which he shall give unto you as he receiveth them, walking in all holiness before me; 
“For his word ye shall receive, as if from mine own mouth, in all patience and faith” (D&C 21:4–5).

"Lesson 13: Follow the Brethren" in The Latter-day Saint Woman: Basic Manual for Women: Part B (2000):
It is a blessing to be members of the true Church and to know that our prophet speaks the will of the Lord for today. Knowing that the Lord speaks through His prophet reassures us that the Savior lives and that He loves us and is interested in us. 
The prophet who leads the Church will never lead us astray. He tells us things that pertain to our lives now. The prophet gives us instruction from the Lord at general conference, which is held twice each year. He also gives the Lord’s counsel to us at other conferences held throughout the world. Many of the prophet’s addresses are printed in the Church magazines. 
In addition to the President of the Church, other men are sustained as prophets, seers, and revelators. These are the prophet’s counselors and the Quorum of the Twelve. These Brethren also receive revelation, bring us the will of the Lord, bear witness of the divinity of Christ, teach the plan of salvation, and perform ordinances. 
President Harold B. Lee said: “If you want to know what the Lord has for this people at the present time, I would admonish you to get and read the discourses that have been delivered at this [general] conference; for what these brethren have spoken by the power of the Holy Ghost is the mind of the Lord, the will of the Lord, the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation” (in Conference Report, Apr. 1973, 176; or Ensign, July 1973, 121)… 
The prophet and other General Authorities preside over all units of the Church. However, since they cannot personally conduct the affairs of all units, they have delegated the right to preside and conduct to others. The Lord calls worthy priesthood bearers to act under the leadership of the General Authorities in our local areas. These local leaders are called by revelation to lead in righteousness. Although they may not feel they are fully prepared or trained for their leadership calls, the Lord has chosen them to lead at this time, and He will magnify their abilities to perform their callings… 
“The men who hold the Priesthood are but mortal men; they are fallible men."… 
“And those who lift their voices … against the authority of the Holy Priesthood … will go down to hell, unless they repent” (George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, sel. Jerreld L. Newquist, 2nd ed., 2 vols. [1974], 1:276).

The message from the above 3 quotes:
You can "trust" the prophets. Their teachings are "inspired" and "reflect the will of the Lord." You should "completely" follow the prophets; they will never "lead you astray."  Those who don't follow the prophets "will go down to hell unless they repent."

The last quote does say the leaders are "mortal" and "fallible" but precede it with how they are "called by revelation to lead in righteousness" and immediately follow it with a warning of speaking out against them.

LDS.org Search:
Next, I search for "infallible" and "fallible" on lds.org and here are the results I found (ordered by date):

History of the Church, 5:181:
"I was but a man," Joseph told the Saints in 1842, "and they must not expect me to be perfect; if they expected perfection from me, I should expect it from them; but if they would bear with my infirmities and the infirmities of the brethren, I would likewise bear with their infirmities."
Comments: this only tells us that he (Joseph) was not perfect.
President Cannon, as quoted by Spencer W. Kimball, 1972:
“The men who hold the Priesthood are but mortal men: they are fallible men. … [No one knows that better than they themselves.] No human being that ever trod this earth was free from sin, excepting the Son of God. …”
Comments: passage relates falliblity with being mortal and sinning
Mark E. Petersen, Apostle, 1978:
“When I speak as a man it is Joseph only that speaks. But when the Lord speaks through me, it is no longer Joseph Smith who speaks; but it is God, and let all Israel hear.” (Edward Stevenson, as quoted in Hyrum L. Andrus and Helen Mae Andrus, comp., They Knew the Prophet (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1974), 84.)
Comments: A Prophet can speak as a man or as a prophet.  
M. Russell Ballard, 1993:
"we know that the Church is made up of mortals, that priesthood leaders are fallible, and some may not always handle their stewardships with suitable sensitivity."
Comments: Again the passage relates falliblity with being mortal.
Henry B. Eyring, 2004:
"And that depends upon our testimony that Jesus is the Christ and that He lives and leads His Church. We must also know for ourselves that the Lord restored His Church and the priesthood keys through the Prophet Joseph Smith. And we must have an assurance through the Holy Ghost, refreshed often, that those keys have been passed without interruption to the living prophet and that the Lord blesses and directs His people through the line of priesthood keys which reaches down through presidents of stakes and of districts and through bishops and branch presidents to us, wherever we are and no matter how far from the prophet and the apostles. 
That is not easy today. It was not easy in the days of Paul. It has always been hard to recognize in fallible human beings the authorized servants of God. Paul must have seemed an ordinary man to many. Joseph Smith’s cheerful disposition was seen by some as not fitting their expectations for a prophet of God."
Comments: Again falliblity is related to the human (mortal) condition. It may hard to recognize "authorized servants of God" in "ordinary" men.
Elder M. Russell Ballard, 2015:
"During my nearly 40 years of close association, I have been a personal witness as both quiet inspiration and profound revelation have moved to action the prophets and apostles, the other General Authorities, and the auxiliary leaders. While neither perfect nor infallible, these good men and women have been perfectly dedicated to leading the work of the Lord forward as He has directed."
Comments: Leaders moved by inspiration and revelation, but they are not perfect nor infallible.  

Conclusion:
Fallibility is these passages is about the human condition of being mortal.  We all make mistakes. We all sin. They say nothing about leaders making errors in teaching or leading the Church.  The last two quotes by Eyring and Ballard say the Lord is directing the Church ("the Lord blesses and directs His people through the line of priesthood keys which reaches down" to Stake Presidents and Bishops; "quiet inspiration and profound revelation have moved to action the prophets and apostles") and that the leaders are not perfect (fallible in a mortal sense).


How infallible are Prophets (Per Michael Ash and the Givens):
Michael Ash and the Givens claim that Prophets are Fallible in that:

  • They may teach incorrect teachings.
  • They are not morally perfect.
I don't expect any man to be morally perfect.  We all sin. But I do expect a prophet to be a holy man, a man of virtue.  I don't see a prophet being a liar, a thief, an adulterer, etc.  

In the beginning of Chapter 3, "Unrealistic Expectations of Prophets," of Shaken Faith Syndrome (Second Edition [2013], pg. 29), Michael Ash has several quotes about prophets being fallible:
  •  "'I make no claim of infallibility,' said Spencer W. Kimball."
  • "'We make no claim of infallibility or perfection in the prophets, seers, and revelators,' said Elder James E. Faust"
  • "Elder George Q. Cannon taught, "The First Presidency cannot claim, individually or collectively, infallibility."

Here are the quotes in context:

"I make no claim of infallibility"by Spencer W. Kimball:

"His [ Joseph Fielding Smith] voice becomes the voice of God to reveal new programs, new truths, new solutions. I make no claim of infallibility for him, but he does need to be recognized of God, an authoritative person."
Comment: Spencer W. Kimball was not claiming infallibility but made no claim for Joseph Fielding Smith, who was just sustained as President of the Church, being infallible. This is the only statement at seems to support Ash's claim.
"We make no claim of infallibility or perfection in the prophets, seers, and revelators." by Elder James E. Faust:
"We make no claim of infallibility or perfection in the prophets, seers, and revelators. Yet I humbly state that I have sat in the company of these men, and I believe their greatest desire is to know and do the will of our Heavenly Father. Those who sit in the highest councils of this church and have participated as inspiration has come and decisions have been reached know that this light and truth is beyond human intelligence and reasoning. These deep, divine impressions have come as the dews from heaven and settled upon them individually and collectively. So inspired, we can go forward in complete unity and accord. 
I witness humbly that I know the Lord still guides his church through his servants, regardless of any individual imperfections. I pray that we may be responsive to his Spirit and be found listening to the oracles he has appointed. I so pray because I know that we mortals, without the aid of revelation, cannot know the purposes of God."
Comments: A statement that the prophets are fallible, but the message is that God inspires them and leads the Church.
"The First Presidency cannot claim, individually or collectively, infallibility." by Elder George Q. Cannon:
"President Woodruff is distinguished from every other one of us by the fact that he possesses the keys of the kingdom on the earth. He represents the Supreme authority. His voice to us, in its place, brings to us the voice of God. Not that he is God; not that he is infallible. He is a fallible man. His Counselors are fallible men. The First Presidency cannot claim, individually or collectively, infallibility. Infallibility is not given to men. They are fallible. But God is infallible. And when God speaks to the Church through him who holds the keys, it is the word of the Lord to this people."
Comments: A statement that the prophet and his Counselors are fallible, but that God speaks through him and God is infallible. To me, this says exactly the opposite of what Ash claims.  Here men, the First Presidency, are fallible, and God who is infallible speaks to the Prophet.

 Putting It All Together:
The Church teaches that we can trust and need to completely follow the prophets because they will not "lead you astray." Fallibility of prophets and other leaders from Church sources is more about the human condition of being mortal. Humans make mistakes and sin. Church sources say nothing about prophets and leaders making errors (being fallible) in teachings or in leading the Church.

Michael Ash and the Givens need to have the prophets fallible in teaching and in leading the Church to explain some Church History and Doctrine like the Priesthood Ban for Blacks, Adam-God doctrine, etc.

The problem is: if they are correct, then what other wrong teachings, policies, etc. exist in the Church? How can this be the True Church if it contains error? Further, if a prophet teaches an incorrect teaching (say for sake of argument the recent LBGT child naming and baptism policy) do I go along with a false teaching (risking God's displeasure) or voice my concerns (risking Church discipline and possible excommunication)?

Ash answers that a prophet is here to lead us to Christ: "belief in Christ, repentance, baptism, gift of the Holy Spirit, enduring to the end, and being found spotless at the final judgment" (Shaken Faith Syndrome, pg. 29).  The Givens say the Church has the Priesthood to do the saving ordinances. Ash and the Givens see the prophets as fallible in teaching and leadership to different degrees. As you can see, this is a liberal (and potentially dangerous) view to a TBM.

The Church will never accept fallibility in teachings and leadership because members will start to question their leaders which may cause division or loss of faith.









Sunday, November 20, 2016

Perspective Part 3A - Letter to a Doubter Notes

The Letter to a Doubter (FAIR Podcast) (PDF) was the basis of "The Crucible of Doubt: Reflections on the Quest For Faith," a book by LDS-faithful Terryl and Fiona Givens. Here are my notes from the FAIR Podcast:

Letter to a Doubter:
Our doubt might be the result of false assumptions. For example, B. H. Roberts, a Seventy in the early twentieth century, wrestled with the question how did the numerous Indian languages develop in about a thousand years if the Lamanites were speaking Reformed Egyptian in 400 AD.  He assumed the hemispheric model for Book of Mormon--the land northward is North America and the land southward is South America.  He also assumed the Nephites and Lamanites were the only people.  Current LDS scholarship favors a limited geography (about 500 by 200 miles) and other inhabitants in North and South America. Under this model, the Lamanites were absorbed (linguistically, culturally, and genetically) into the dominate population.

There are 5 basic false assumptions:

1. The Prophetic Mantel
  • Biblical prophets were not perfect (examples cited).
  • Modern prophets are not infallible examples of virtue and perfection.
  • Joseph Smith, "I don't want you to think that I am very righteous for I am not very righteous."
  • God calls the "weak vessels" so that we faith in God and not the prophets natural abilities.
  • The prophet will not lead us astray means the prophet will not teach us any soul destroying doctrine not that they'll never error.
  • A prophet means they have the priesthood keys, not infallibility or righteousness.

2. Nature of the Restoration
  • For the D&C: the Restoration means God is bringing the church back out of the wilderness.
  • The Priesthood was lost and the truth was scattered.
  • Joseph Smith brought it back into a coherent whole.

3. Mormon Exclusivity
  • Joseph Smith had a Universalist view.
  • Mormons don't have a monopoly on truth, righteousness, or God's approbation.

4. Efficacy of Institutional Religion
  • Holiness is found it how we treat others.
  • Relationships wear away our rough edges.
  • The LDS perspective is that heaven has the same sociality.
  • There are no Zion individuals, only a Zion community.

5. Satisfactions of the Gospel
  • Discipleship is not always joyous.
  • Spiritual peaks and valleys allow us to go from God's servant to God's son.

Sunday, November 6, 2016

Perspective Part 3 - The Crucible of Doubt by Terryl and Fiona Givens

"The Crucible of Doubt: Reflections on the Quest For Faith" is a book by LDS-faithful Terryl and Fiona Givens. The book is about perspective and is geared for those who wish to remain in the Church. You can get an overview of the book from:

Mormon Stories Episode 496 (Aug 2014)
Book Review by Julie Smith (Aug 2014)
FAIR Podcast (Sept 2014)

Here are my notes from Mormon Stories Episode 496 (Aug 2014):

Introduction (starting at 35:10):
  • What kind of changes can we make to remain in the Church.
  • There is little we can do to alter the Church, its history, etc.

Ch1. Reason (starting at 36:20):
  • Few decisions we make rely solely on reason.
  • Skeptics say--and they're right--that only science can lead to truth.
  • Many people feel there is something transcendent.
  • We need to use reason and emotion to make decisions.
  • Gospel truths add beauty to life.

Ch 2. Role of Life's Incompletion (starting at 44:30):
  • We turn to religion, as an opiate, to answer all our questions. We want a map, but we get a compass.
  • Faith is not an electric blanket; it's a cross.

Ch 3. Role of the Church (starting at 49:50):
  • The question for doubters is: should we remain?
  • The Church offers a geographic COMMUNITY modeled on the family.
  • The Church offers ORDINANCES because the (Mormon) heaven is relationship based and the ordinances form relationships (Note: the Protestant view is that heaven is moral requirement based)
  • We go expecting to receive. (And if we do, we'll be disappointed) What do we bring to the alter of God.

Ch 4. Use and Abuse of Scripture (starting at 55:80):
  • There are inconsistencies in scripture.
  • The Book of Mormon had editors: the author of each book and a final editor, Mormon.
  • We tend to take the scriptures literally, but they probably should not be taken so literally (at 58:28).
  • The scriptures are fallible (at 1:00:14). We must read with discernment (and not with textual criticism).
  • John: Most Mormons would view the Church as predominately divine and occasionally marred by the flaws of men. But the Church is mortal and is man's attempt at understand the divine.
  • John: Most Mormons view the scriptures as truth and the First Presidency as "good" meaning authoritative or just below scripture.
  • John: scripture is the author's best attempt to understand God.
  • Terryl agreed with John on above three items.  The Joseph Smith Papers shows editing of revelation to understand God.  Joseph Smith seeks greater understanding demonstrating honesty, not deception.
  • Joseph Smith was only a prophet when he spoke as a prophet. "Some revelations were of God, [some of men], and some of the Devil." (at 1:05:50)
  • Scripture is fallible because men are fallible.
  • John: We are trying to discern God's will imperfectly.
  • Fiona: Agrees with John that revelation was collaborative.

Ch 5. Perils of Hero Worship (starting at 1:09:45):
  • Humans have a need to create heroes, something to worship.
  • Heroes (prophets) release us from responsibility.
  • In at ecclesiastical sense, they (prophets) are men.
  • Heroes have feet of clay.
  • Brigham Young quote: afraid we will blindly follow the church leaders.
  • Church leaders are fallible.
  • Temple Oath: can't be vocal critics of the leaders.
  • John: has not the Church fostered hero worship and is it wrong to criticize?
  • Fiona: our leaders should point us to Christ. Church culture promotes hero worship.
  • Terryl: The Brethren should present their human side.
  • Fiona: There seems to be a chasm between us and the Brethren, but they are not historians and they were raised on the same manuals.
  • Terryl: The leaders make mistakes. We need to lower our expectation of the infallibility of  prophetic direction (at 1:24:15).
  • Okay to express constructive criticism of leaders, no venting.

Ch 6. Ring of Pharaoh (starting at 1:28:55):
  • The chapter is a continuation of chapter 5.
  • Not every calling is inspired.
  • Delegating means God gave the authority to make decisions. But not every decision is in line with the Lord's will.
  • We should sustain (follow) our leaders unless asked to do something wrong or against our conscience.
  • John: No blind obedience?
  • Terryl: Correct. We need to determine of it's the mind and will of God or not.
  • For the Priesthood Ban (of Blacks), time proved some to be right. Others will bear the burden of blind obedience.
  • We need to be true to our conscious first and then to an institution. 
  • If you go contrary to the leaders (and are right), the God will alchemize any suffering.

Ch 7. Of Mormons and Monopolies (starting at 1:39:55):
  • John: the Church is a Universalistic Church
  • The Church doesn't have a monopoly on truth.
  • God's favoritism of "We are the only true church" has negative connotation with others.
  • There are many Godly people around the world.
  • D&C 10:52 shows the Church is not the institutional Church but the Universal Church
  • John: "We're the best and others have some truth" needs to be "no one can say we're better."
  • There needs to be a shift from the Church has the truth to the Church has the temple ordinance, the portal to salvation (at 1:45:22).
  • The Church has the priesthood keys and ordinances but not superior status to other traditions.

Ch 8. Finding Your Watering Hole (starting at 1:45:50):
  • Don't expect to return from Church replenished and with new knowledge. You need to find a source independent of the Church structure (called "Supplementing"). The source (music, literature, etc.) need not be from the Church. 
  • Joseph Smith read from various sources.
  • The Church is a community, a source to provide service, a source to access the ordinances.
  • We find in our homes the time to study that which inspires us and reveals our discipleship path.

Ch 9. [Skipped]


Ch 10. Silence and Solitude (starting at 1:49: 40):
  • It's OK to feel like the heavens are closed, especially in times of need.
  • Mormons  are told if they ask God, he will answer.
  • God reaches out to us in different ways. We should not tell God how to answer.

Fiona quoted this statement from George McDonald:
[Even] If there is no hereafter, I would live my life believing in a grand thing that ought to be true if it were not. No facts can take the place of truths; and if these be not truths, then it is the loftiest part of our nature a waste.  Let me hold by the better than the actual, and fall into nothingness off the same precipice with Jesus and John and Paul and a thousand more, who were lovely in their lives, and with their death make even the nothingness into which they have passed like the garden of the Lord.  I will go farther, and say I would rather die forevermore believing as Jesus believed, than live forevermore believing as those who deny him.


I evaluate The Crucible of Doubt in Perspective Part 4.


Sunday, October 30, 2016

Perspective Part 2 - Shaken Faith Syndrome by Michael Ash


Shaken Faith Syndrome:
Shaken Faith Syndrome: Strengthening One's Testimony in the Face of Criticism and Doubt by Michael Ash represents an LDS faithful perspective.

Part I of Shaken Faith Syndrome, "Misplaced Testimony and Anti-Mormon Vulnerability," is about perspective. It discusses (1) cognitive dissonance, (2) our unrealistic expectations of prophets, (3) our confusion of tradition with doctrine, (4) our imposing our assumptions on others, and (5) our unrealistic expectations of science and archeology.  You can get an overview of his book from:

2008 FAIR Presentation
2014 FAIR Podcast
2015 FAIR Presentation

Cognitive Dissonance:
For our discussion, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.

When we encounter new information that is counter to our beliefs, we have mental discomfort (cognitive dissonance) and seek to relieve the discomfort. All people (LDS faithful and LDS Critics) avoid situations and information that cause mental discomfort.

Each person assigns a different level of importance to each belief. Those beliefs with which we have personal experience will have a higher level of importance.  For example, a person who received blessing after paying tithing will more likely have greater discomfort (cognitive dissonance) than someone who does not pay tithing when encountering new and opposing information about tithing.

The trustworthiness of the source of the new information and the information ratio also affects the level of discomfort. For example, if our doctor told us to do something seemingly unhealthy it would probably have little discomfort (cognitive dissonance) if our  a co-worker thought the doctor's advice is unhealthy because the doctor is a more trustworthy source for health information than a co-worker. Further, if we then firmly believe our doctor (unhealthy) advice but then read an article where many doctors said our doctor's advice is unhealthy, we would most likely have great discomfort (cognitive dissonance) sticking with the unhealthy advice due to the information ratio (many doctors vs. one doctor).

We relieve the mental discomfort (cognitive dissonance) in one of 4 ways:
  1. We reject the new information as false.
  2. We ignore the new information as unimportant.
  3. We add more information. 
  4. We accept the new information.
For example, someone says Joseph Smith is a false prophet because he had nearly 40 plural wives. (Note: the real belief in question here is the acceptable behavior of a prophet. For this example, the person knows Joseph Smith had a few plural wives and is OK with that).
  • We can reject the information as false. We have a Testimony that Joseph Smith is a prophet. He may of had a few plural wives but 40 wives is too high.
  • We can ignore the new information as unimportant. We have a Testimony that Joseph Smith is a prophet and know he had plural wives.  The number is not important.
  • We add more information. We read more about Joseph Smith's plural wives.  For example, the Church states he had between 30 and 40 plural wives (see footnote 24 in "Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo"). I think Michael Ash implies we synthesize the new information. We do not change the belief (Joseph Smith is a prophet) but we do change our belief or understanding of the acceptable behavior of a prophet. We went form "Joseph Smith is a prophet and had a few plural wives" to ""Joseph Smith is a prophet and had 30 to 40 plural wives."
  • We accept the new information. We accept the new information (maybe with more information) as showing Joseph Smith was not a prophet.
Nearly all people (LDS faithful and LDS Critics) operate using #1 and #2 (We reject the new information as false or We ignore the new information as unimportant). We simply don't have the time to study everything out.

Unreal Expectations of Prophets:
Michael Ash makes the following points:
  • Prophets are fallible. 
  • Prophets may teach incorrect teachings. 
  • Prophets are not morally perfect.
  • The Church is to invite all to come unto Christ (D&C 20:59).
  • Gospel education for prophets (and us) is an evolutionary process. Knowledge comes a little at a time.
Confusing Tradition with Doctrine:
Michael Ash makes the following points:
  • What is Doctrine? Official doctrine is announced as revelation and sustained (D&C 26:2 and D&C 107:27-31).
  • Doctrine is contained in the 4 standard works (Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price), official declarations, proclamations, and Articles of Faith.
  • Probably few teachings qualify as doctrine.
  • Many things we believe are doctrine are actually traditions, policies, practices, and wise council. We might confuse implementation with doctrine.
Imposing Our Assumptions on Others:
Michael Ash makes the following points:
  • We are all biased. We all have a perspective.
  • Evidence can support one or more positions / perspectives.
  • All evidence is not equal (i.e., evidence weight).
  • Evidence can be direct or indirect. 
  • Proof is a conclusion from strong or overwhelming evidence.
  • Scripture contains poetry, hyperbole, errors, exaggerations, myths, etc.
  • Bible is high context text from a different culture. Meaning the Bible does not contain much of the cultural background to understand the meaning the author intended.
  • We tend to place what we read within our cultural context and/or use presentism.

Unrealistic Expectations of Science and Archeology:
Michael Ash makes the following points:
  • We need to know the bias of the historian or author.
  • In 1980, less than 1% of ancient sites in Mesoamerica had been excavated.
  • In 2006, Dr. Clark stated "Many items in the Book of Mormon have not been and may never be verified through archeology, but many have been."
Michael Ash says most claims by Critics can be explained if we change our PERSPECTIVE on our unrealistic expectations of prophets and our confusion of tradition with doctrine.


I evaluate this is Perspective Part 4.





Saturday, October 1, 2016

Perspective Part 1 - 4 Fundamental Elements of the Mormon Faithful Perspective

One of the first books I ordered after coming across the CES letter was Shaken Faith Syndrome: Strengthening One's Testimony in the Face of Criticism and Doubt by Michael Ash. He represents an LDS faithful perspective.

I read Part I of Shaken Faith Syndrome, "Misplaced Testimony and Anti-Mormon Vulnerability," on perspective. It discusses, according to Ash, our unrealistic expectations of prophets and our confusion of tradition with doctrine. Ash says most claims by Critics can be explained if we change our PERSPECTIVE on these two things. I thought I had the right perspective on prophets and doctrine (see Conservative Mormon below). I even checked with my wife who affirmed I had the "normal" Mormon view. More on Ash and Shaken Faith Syndrome in a future post.

While studying Mormon perspectives I listen to

The Mormon Expressions Episode 7X discusses 4 fundamental elements of the faithful Mormon perspective starting at 20:42:
  1. The Church is true.
  2. Joseph Smith was a prophet.
  3. Thomas S. Monson [or current Church President] is a prophet today.
  4. The Book of Mormon is true (see minute 37).

I categorize Mormons into 4 groups by perspective:
  1. Conservative Mormons or True Believing Mormons (TBM). They believe items 1 through 4. They believe what the First Presidency and 12 Apostles do and say is from God. They believe their local leaders are inspired. They believe there are reasonable explanations for any critical (anti-Mormon) claims. They usually don't investigate critical claims because of their testimony in items 1 through 4. They take prophets, the scriptures, and gospel principles literally.
  2. Liberal Mormons. They believe items 1 through 4. However, they are more liberal in their definitions. For example, Ash says members (typical Conservative Mormons) have  unrealistic expectations of prophets. Terryl and Fiona Givens have more liberal definitions than Ash. I think Mormon apologists and members who have studied critical claims and remain in the Church tend to be liberal Mormons.
  3. Mormon Reformists. They believe items 1 through 4 but want to reform the Church policy or doctrine on an issue: LBGT, Treatment of Women, etc.
  4. New Order Mormons (NOM). They no longer believe 1 or more of the above 4 items. However, they maintain membership for cultural, social, or even spiritual reasons.

I love this quote from the Mormon Expressions Episode 7X podcast (at 43:22):
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” ― Marcus Aurelius












Sunday, September 25, 2016

Joseph Smith - My Working Theory

As I stated in my post "Four Views Of Joseph Smith," I think Joseph Smith was a Sincere Visionary.  Why?

Not a Con Man:
I don't think he was a con man because con men usually don't stay around long because people get suspicious. They are generally looking for easy money.

Not a Pious Fraud:
Dan Vogel thinks Joseph Smith was a pious fraud. I understand a pious fraud to be someone who uses deception to attain their religious convictions. I agree with Vogel that Joseph Smith intentions were religious.

The problem the pious fraud theory is the Book of Mormon. How did Joseph Smith produce it (assuming he was not a prophet). His contemporaries did not think he had the ability to produce it; therefore, it was written by someone else. There's the Samuel Spalding theory and the Spalding-Rigdon theory. Only later did people like B.H. Roberts, a Mormon General Authority, think he had the ability to write it. This contradicts Emma who know him best and early 1830's critics who probably met him. He would have had to memorize the book because no witness says he used a manuscript and Emma flat out says he did NOT use one.

Probably a Sincere Visionary:
I think Joseph Smith developed an ability for automatic writing while scrying with the seer stone.  It would explain a lot about the Book of Mormon and later revelation. Joseph Smith is religious and lives in a visionary culture. Meaning visions of Jesus, etc. were not uncommon at that time. He has a vision and sees an angel (Moroni) and is told about plates.

The plates are a sticking point for the sincere visionary theory. If he had real ancient plates then Joseph Smith was a prophet and if not then he's a con man, pious fraud, or sincere visionary. I'm currently investigating the witness statements to see if they physically saw/handled the plates. My guess it that the data might be inconclusive.

I theorize Joseph Smith saw the location of the plates with the seer stone (as Martin Harris stated) and thought he saw something but was unable to obtain it when first at the Hill Cumorah—-just like other treasure digging experiences who reported supernatural experiences and did not acquire the treasure. He eventually had something physical but what it was and why he made something deceptive as a "sincere" visionary I still have to resolve. (Maybe he's a Visionary Pious Fraud??)

Joseph Smith "translates" the plates by automatic writing. This would explain no manuscript, beyond normal writing abilities, dictating hour after hour, being able to pick up where he left off in dictation without prompting/read back, writing styles other than his, the "memorization" of long portions of Isaiah, etc.

Basically, Joseph Smith thought he was a prophet but the Book of Mormon and all the later revelation would be the product of his subconscious.

Still figuring it out.


Thursday, July 28, 2016

Four Views Of Joseph Smith

"…the mystery of Mormonism cannot be solved until we solve the mystery of Joseph Smith."

"What we have in Mormon historiography are variations on two Josephs: the one who started out digging for money and when he was unsuccessful, turned to propheteering; and the one who had visions and dreamed dreams, restored the church, and revealed the will of the Lord to a sinful world. While the shading was varied, the portraits have pretty much remained constant; the differences are differences of degree not kind."

--Jan Shipps in "The Prophet Puzzle: Suggestions Leading Toward a More Comprehensive Interpretation of Joseph Smith".


I stated in my post of July 13, 2016 (bold added):
I told her [my wife] that people think of him [Joseph Smith] as a con-man or a pious fraud (or at the least he used some degree of deception) or that he was a prophet. I wondered if there was a middle ground. I laid out his treasure seeking background, the seer stone and the Book of Mormon, his polygamy, etc. and my theory (see upcoming post).
On July 23, 2016, I came across "Four Views Of Joseph Smith Historians Debate The Prophet Puzzle" on the Sunstone website. I was there figuring out if they were LDS-critical or LDS-supportive for my research bibliography.

The Four Views Presented are:

  1. Pious Fraud View by Dan Vogel [4:41 to 19:34]
  2. Sincere Visionary View by Ann Taves [20:20 to 42:07]
  3. Con-Man View by Christopher C. Smith [42:24 to 55:43]
  4. True Prophet by Don Bradley [57:01 to 1:20:01]
  5. Questions [1:20:44 to 1:28:04]

My theory (still upcoming) is very similar to the Sincere Visionary View by Ann Taves.




Sunday, July 24, 2016

Fair and Balanced

Well, I think that the initial "shock" of seer stones, money digging, polygamy, the Book of Abraham, etc. has worn off.  I said I was going to concentrate on the Book of Mormon, but got side tracked into reading (and watching YouTube) about various topics for about a month. I have literally been devouring information.

I noticed that I was tending to read LDS-critical sources. I think this is natural.  The "shock" of the information left me (and I assume others) with the feeling that the LDS Church has been hiding or lying about things. This leads you to read LDS-critical sources to find the "truth."

As I said in my original post:
I’ll see what the critics have to say, what LDS-friendly folk (FAIR, FARMS, etc.) have to say, what information the Church (General Authorities, Ensign, Gospel Topic Essays, etc.) has, and what my own research yields.
Therefore, I am making a bibliography of my research divided into 2 sections: LDS-Supportive and LDS-Critical. I do this for 3 reasons:

  1. To ensure I read both the LDS-Supportive and the LDS-Critical side of each issue.
  2. To more equally balance the amount of LDS-Supportive and LDS-Critical I read. Not that my reading will be equal, but that it doesn't become unduly lopsided.
  3. To document what sources I used to draw my conclusions.
With this said, I don't have the time to research and read all (or a lot of) the material on a topic. I'm not a scholar; I have a day job.  

Wednesday, July 13, 2016

I Voiced My Concerns

Well, on Sunday (July 10, 2016) I told my wife about my concerns that I have about Joseph Smith. I told her that people think of him as a con-man or a pious fraud (or at the least he used some degree of deception) or that he was a prophet. I wondered if there was a middle ground.

I laid out his treasure seeking background, the seer stone and the Book of Mormon, his polygamy, etc. and my theory (see upcoming post). My wife listened for 40 minutes.

At the end of it, the full meaning of my theory of Joseph Smith hit me--it didn't make him a conscious fraud but it also meant that he was not a prophet. I guess in the end Joseph is either a prophet or he is not--there is no middle ground. My wife asked if I was going to stop going to church.  I said No and that I was testing my theory. Still trying to figure it out.

Friday, June 24, 2016

"I So Bored"

I have to admit Church is somewhat boring. The teachers aren't bad. The problem is that we discuss the same basic topics over and over with no real depth. I once heard someone remark in Elder's Quorum that the reason we have the same lessons is because we haven't mastered the basics. It sounded good, and I accepted it as the truth.

Then I was the listen to Mormon Stories #605: "An Analysis of the “Joseph Smith’s Teachings about Priesthood, Temple, and Women” Essay". They stated that men leave the Church more than women. Why? Men will more readily leave for self fulfillment while women, who also lack self fulfillment, will stay for the community.

At 1:01:00 in the podcast, one of the panelist says:
(edited out "uh", "you know", etc. Changed one or two "and" or "but" for a ".")
I think very stereotypically women tend to value Church for community. Men tend to value intellectual process, and there's something that has become very unintellectual since the correlation system came to play in our Church culture.  I hear over and over again from man, "I am flipping bored. It's the same lesson; it's not challenging." When you think about the founders of our faith, however you may feel about them, it was very intense, intellectual, challenging discussion which really invited a sense of breaking apart your own dogma and your own ideas and your own biases that we no longer really find valuable in our culture. Our culture right now values conformity and I don't think that really speaks to men [and women]…and women, while they [women] may be also bored, they see the value in the community.

AMEN!

Sunday, June 19, 2016

Coming Forth of the Book of Mormon (Part 1)

Coming Forth of the Book of Mormon
The official (LDS Church) Version

The follow is the coming forth of the Book of Mormon using only Scripture (Pearl of Great Price) and Primary, Sunday School, Seminary, and Institute Manuals. There is no mention of a seer stone or the practice of placing it in a hat.


From the Pearl of Great Price:
The Joseph Smith History (JSH) in the Pearl of Great Price is a 1838 account from Joseph Smith. Joseph states an angle named Moroni appeared to him on September 21, 1823, and said (JSH 1:33-35):  

God had a work for me [Joseph Smith] to do… [and] there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fullness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;

Also, that there were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted “seers” in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book.

Two things were “deposited:”
1.     A book written on gold plates which:
a.     Gives an account of the former inhabitants of this continent.
b.     Contains the source from whence the former inhabitants sprang.
c.     Contains the fullness of the everlasting Gospel as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants.
2.    The Urim and Thummim (two stones in silver bows fastened to a breastplate) for translating the book. (Note: verses 52 and 59 seem to imply that the breastplate was separate from the Urim and Thummim)

The next day Joseph went to the place where the gold plates were deposited (JSH 1:50-51), having been shown in a vision where they were during Moroni’s visit (JSH 1:42). They were located about three miles away in a hill of considerable size in the village of Manchester, Ontario County, New York. (JSH 1:51). He was not allowed to take the gold plate, but meet annually with Moroni where Joseph “received instruction and intelligence…respecting what the Lord was going to do, and how and in what manner his kingdom was to be conducted in the last days” (JSH 1:53-54).

Joseph received the gold plates and Urim and Thummim on September 22, 1827 (JSH 1:59). He  was not allowed to show anyone the plates or the Urim and Thummim (JST 1:42). Because people tried to take or steal the gold plates and persecution, Joseph and Emma move to Pennsylvania with the help of Martin Harris (JSH 1:60-61). Joseph copies some of the characters and translates them with the  Urim and Thummim, gives them to Martin Harris who takes them to Professor Charles Anton in New York. Anton says the characters and translation were correct, gives Harris a certificate to this fact, but rips it up after learning the gold plates were revealed by an angel. (JSH 1: 59-65)

Oliver Cowdery arrives in April and translation of the BOM begins on April 7, 1829. (JSH 1:66-67). They continue the work of translation under the threats of mobs but protected by father-in-law with “divine providence” (JSH 1:75).

Oliver Cowdery stated “Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his [Joseph Smith] mouth, as he translated with the Urim and Thummim, or, as the Nephites would have said, ‘Interpreters,’ the history or record called ‘The Book of Mormon.’" (JSH 1:71 footnote. See Messenger and Advocate, Vol. 1 [October 1834], pg. 14)

The only words about the translation process is in JSH 1:62 and the footnote to 1:72:

“…I [Joseph Smith] copied a considerable number of them [characters from the plates], and by means of the Urim and Thummim I translated some of them…” ( JSH 1:62)

“Day after day I [Oliver Cowdery] continued, uninterrupted, to write from his [Joseph Smith] mouth, as he translated with the Urim and Thummim, or, as the Nephites would have said, ‘Interpreters,’ the history or record called ‘The Book of Mormon.’" (JSH 1:71 footnote)


From Primary 5: Doctrine and Covenants Church History (1997):

From Lesson 5: Joseph Smith Receives the Gold Plates, pg. 24:
“4. Teach the children about the Urim and Thummim:
The Urim and Thummim is a sacred tool given by God to help prophets receive revelations from the Lord and translate languages (see Bible Dictionary, “Urim and Thummim”).

Joseph Smith described the Urim and Thummim as “two stones in silver bows . . . fastened to a breastplate” (JS—H 1:35). The Prophet stated that when he was humble and prayerful, he could look into these stones and read the strange language on the gold plates. He could also look into these stones and get Heavenly Father’s word about certain things he ought to know and do.
Help the children find and discuss the following scriptures that refer to the Urim and Thummim:
Exodus 28:30
Mosiah 28:11, 13
Ether 3:23–24, 4:4–5
Doctrine and Covenants 17:1

5. Write the following statements on separate pieces of paper:
• Each gold plate was six inches wide and eight inches long.
• Joseph Smith described each plate as “not quite so thick as common tin.”
• Three rings bound the book of plates together.
• The whole book was about six inches thick.
• The plates had small characters engraved on them.
• A portion of the book was sealed and could not be translated.
• Joseph Smith was told that the sealed part would be translated at a future time.
Give each piece of paper to a child, and have the children read the statements out loud to help the class members understand what the gold plates were like (see History of the Church, 4:537).”


From Lesson 6: Joseph Smith Begins to Translate the Gold Plates, pg. 26-27:
“Explain that usually translators need to understand both of the languages they work with. Joseph Smith, however, had had very little schooling and could not speak or read languages other than English. The reformed Egyptian characters on the plates were very strange to him. He had to rely on the Spirit of the Lord, not his own knowledge, to help him translate the characters on the plates into English…"

Once Joseph and Emma Smith were settled in Harmony, Pennsylvania, Joseph began to translate the gold plates. At first Joseph spent a lot of time becoming familiar with the plates and the language in which they were written. As he studied and prayed, the Urim and Thummim helped him understand the characters on the plates. Joseph learned that the process of translation requires faith, hard work, worthiness, patience, and obedience…"

Joseph and Martin suffered greatly because of the loss of the translation. Joseph returned to Harmony, where he prayed for forgiveness. The angel Moroni took the gold plates and the Urim and Thummim for a while. Later, because of Joseph’s sincere repentance, the Lord forgave Joseph, and Moroni returned the plates and the Urim and Thummim…”


From Lesson 7: Joseph Smith Translates the Gold Plates, pg. 31+:
“As Joseph continued the translation, he found that he did not have time to take care of his family and farm and still translate as fast as he wanted to. The work of translation was also slowed because Joseph had no scribe to write for him as he translated. Martin Harris was no longer allowed to be Joseph’s scribe. Emma sometimes served as scribe, but she had other work to do also…When Oliver [Cowdery] arrived, Joseph realized the Lord had sent Oliver to help with the translation of the Book of Mormon…With Oliver assisting, the translation of the Book of Mormon went faster.

Explain that when Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon, he said the words out loud, and his scribe wrote the words down. Sometimes Joseph and the scribe were separated by a divider and could not see each other.”


Book of Mormon Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual (1999):

From Lesson 1: “The Keystone of Our Religion”, pg 3.
“2. Many witnesses have testified of the Book of Mormon.
If you are using the pictures of Moroni appearing to Joseph Smith and of Joseph Smith receiving the gold plates, display them now. Have the assigned class member summarize the events recorded in the Testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Then explain that after Joseph Smith had finished translating the Book of Mormon, other people were privileged to see the plates. Have the assigned class members present their summaries of the Testimony of the Three Witnesses and the Testimony of the Eight Witnesses.”


Doctrine and Covenants and Church History Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual (2003):

From Lesson 4: “Remember the New Covenant, Even the Book of Mormon”, pg. 18-19, 22:
“As Joseph translated the Book of Mormon, he learned that the Lord would permit three witnesses and a few others to view the plates (see the references to these witnesses in 2 Nephi 27:12–14 and Ether 5:1–3). Who were the Three Witnesses? (See “The Testimony of Three Witnesses,” Book of Mormon.) What were they commanded to do? (See D&C 5:11–15, 24–25; 17:3, 5.)
Why was their testimony important? (See Ether 5:4; D&C 5:16–18; 17:4.)

Explain that in addition to the Three Witnesses, eight others were shown the gold plates (“The Testimony of Eight Witnesses,” Book of Mormon). All of the Three Witnesses and three of the Eight Witnesses later left the Church. Only a few returned, but none ever denied his testimony of what he saw."


4. “Translated by the gift and power of God” (D&C 135:3)
Joseph Smith completed the translation of the Book of Mormon in about 65 working days (“I Have a Question,” Ensign, Jan. 1988, 46–47). Elder Neal A. Maxwell of the Quorum of the Twelve commented on the speed of this process:
“One able LDS translator in Japan, surrounded by reference books, language dictionaries, and translator colleagues ready to help if needed, indicated that he considered an output of one careful, final page a day to be productive. And he is retranslating from earlier Japanese to modern Japanese! More than 50 able English scholars labored for seven years, using previous translations, to produce the King James Version of the Bible, averaging about one precious page per day. The Prophet Joseph Smith would sometimes produce 10 pages per day! (see the bulletin Insights: An Ancient Window [Provo, Utah: Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies (F.A.R.M.S.), Feb. 1986], 1).

“A second marvel of the Book of Mormon translation process is that from what we know, rarely would Joseph go back, review, or revise what had already been done. There was a steady flow in the translation. . . ."

“Emma Smith said of the inspired process: ‘After meals, or after interruptions, [Joseph] would at once begin where he had left off, without either seeing the manuscript or having any portion of it read to him’ (“Last Testimony of Sister Emma,” Saints’ Herald, 1 Oct. 1879, 290). One who has dictated and been interrupted must usually resume by inquiring ‘Now, where were we?’ Not so with the Prophet!

“If one were manufacturing a text, he would constantly need to cross-check himself, to edit, and to revise for consistency. Had the Prophet dictated and revised extensively, there would be more evidence of it. But there was no need to revise divinely supplied text. Whatever the details of the translation process, we are discussing a process that was truly astonishing!” (“By the Gift and Power of God,” Ensign, Jan. 1997, 39–40)."


From Gospel Principles (2009), pg 46. and Gospel Principles (1997), pg 53:
"Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon into English through the gift and power of God. He said that it is “the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book” (introduction to the Book of Mormon)"


From Our Heritage:
[pg. 5]
“He said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants” (JS—H 1:33–34).

Moroni had been the last prophet to write on this ancient record, and as directed by the Lord, he had buried it in the Hill Cumorah. He had also buried the Urim and Thummim, which was used by prophets anciently and which Joseph was to use to translate the record.”

[pg. 7-9]
The Work of Translation
"On 22 September 1827, after four years of preparation, Moroni gave the Prophet Joseph the gold plates and told him to begin the work of translation. Emma Hale, whom Joseph had married earlier that year, accompanied him on that occasion and was waiting at the foot of the Hill Cumorah when her husband returned with the plates. She became an important help to the Prophet and acted as one of the Book of Mormon scribes for a brief period.

Because of the repeated and strenuous efforts of a local mob to steal the gold plates, Joseph and Emma were forced to leave their home in Manchester, New York. They took refuge at the home of Emma’s father, Isaac Hale, in Harmony, Pennsylvania, about 120 miles southeast of Manchester. There Joseph began translating the plates. He was soon joined by his friend, Martin Harris, a well-to- do farmer, who became his scribe.

Martin asked Joseph if he could take 116 pages of translated material home to show his family members to prove to them the validity of the work they were doing. Joseph asked the Lord for permission, but the Lord’s answer was no. Martin pleaded for Joseph to ask again, which Joseph reluctantly did two more times and finally received permission. Martin made a covenant to show the manuscript only to certain people, but he broke his promise, and the pages of manuscript were stolen. This loss caused Joseph inconsolable grief, for he thought that all his efforts to serve the Lord had been lost. He cried, “What shall I do? I have sinned—it is I who tempted the wrath of God. I should have been satisfied with the first answer which I received from the Lord.”

Joseph sincerely repented, and after a brief period when the plates and the Urim and Thummim were taken away, the Lord forgave him and he began translating once again. The Lord instructed him not to retranslate the lost material, which contained a secular history. Instead, Joseph was to translate other plates prepared by the prophet Nephi that covered the same period of time but contained greater prophecies of Christ and other sacred writings. The Lord had foreseen the loss of the 116 pages and inspired Nephi to prepare this second history. (See 1 Nephi 9; D&C 10:38–45; see also D&C 3 and 10, which were received during this period.)

At this time, Joseph was blessed with the help of Oliver Cowdery, a young schoolteacher who was directed by the Lord to the Prophet’s home. Oliver commenced to write on 7 April 1829. Of that momentous time he said, “These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven, awakened the utmost gratitude of this bosom!” (JS—H 1:71, footnote)…"

"In the midst of their work, Joseph and Oliver found that their dedication to the translation of the record had left them without food or money; they lacked even the necessary writing materials. Learning of their plight, Joseph Knight Sr., a former employer and friend of the Prophet, determined to give them assistance…"

"Because of increasing persecution, Joseph and Oliver left Harmony and completed the work of translation at the Peter Whitmer farm in Fayette, New York, during June 1829. The completion of this work in the midst of such trying circumstances is truly a modern-day miracle. With little formal education, Joseph Smith dictated the translation in just a little over two months of actual working time and made very few corrections. The book stands today essentially as he translated it and has been the source of testimony for millions of people throughout the world. Joseph Smith was a powerful instrument in the hands of the Lord in bringing forth the words of ancient prophets for the blessing of Saints in the latter days."


From Church History In The Fulness Of Times Student Manual, Second Edition (2003):
[pg. 50]
"By this time Joseph Smith had gained considerable experience with various means of revelation. He had communed with God and his Son and with angelic messengers. He had seen visions, felt the promptings of the Spirit, and grown in skill in using the Urim and Thummim. We should not conclude that revelation came easy to him, for another lesson he learned during this time was the price in faith, diligence, persistence, worthiness, and obedience he had to pay to receive communication from God."

[pg.52-53]
"At the end of 1828, Moroni returned the plates and the Urim and Thummim and promised a new scribe to assist in the translation…"

"During the winter of 1828–29, Joseph Smith periodically worked on the translation with the help of Emma and her brother, but earning a living left little time for translating. Emma’s brother, Jesse Hale, was suspicious of Joseph’s claims about the plates and showed little sympathy. Hence, in March of 1829, Joseph said, “I had not where to go and I cried unto the Lord that he would provide for me to accomplish the work whereunto he had commanded me.” The Lord told him to stop for the present and wait “until I command thee, and I will provide means whereby thou mayest accomplish the thing which I have commanded thee” (D&C 5:34). Confidently the Prophet awaited the arrival of a new scribe, and on 5 April, Oliver Cowdery came…"

"Joseph and Oliver labored “with little cessation” on the translation throughout April. With Oliver’s help, Joseph proceeded faster than ever before. During the next three months Joseph and Oliver completed the amazing task of translating approximately five hundred printed pages. This was a glorious period in their lives. Oliver wrote: “These were days never to be forgotten—to sit under the sound of a voice dictated by the inspiration of heaven. . . . Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated, with the Urim and Thummim . . . the history, or record, called ‘The Book of Mormon.’”